Wednesday, January 11, 2012

Reflections on the GCN Panel with Alan Chambers


As some of you may be aware, five days have passed since I participated in a public conversation at the Gay Christian conference in Orlando. For those of you not aware, I was invited to be on a panel with two other former ex-gay leaders, John Smid formerly of Love in Action and Jeremy Marks, Executive Director of Courage in the U.K., the Executive Director of the Gay Christian Network, Justin Lee, and invited guest, Exodus President, Alan Chambers. If you would like to listen to the panel discussion you can access audio links here: part 1 and part 2. A video release is also promised – though it may be a few weeks before the editing from multiple cameras is complete. Warning: the entire thing is apparently two and a half hours.

There has been a fair amount of discussion since the announcement of this conversation on Friday morning at the conference and I’ve been trying to follow most of it. My custom is to give myself some time to reflect and sift through the multiple responses to this kind of event prior to offering my thoughts in public. This post is an attempt to clarify, prioritize and envision positive steps moving forward.

Justin called me some weeks prior to the conference to seek my input on the potential for a bridge building conversation with Alan. I expressed a willingness to participate in such a discussion but also expressed some reservations about it being part of the conference and in the same location as the conference given the reality that there are many GCN conference participants who have had very painful experiences with ex-gay ministries. It has always been my modus operandi to engage rather than disengage in these kinds of situations. I didn’t hear from Justin further about this possibility so I was a little surprised to hear it announced on Friday morning that I was one of the panelists. He had asked me to keep that initial conversation confidential and it is critical that I demonstrate keeping such confidence, so I had not told anyone of the potential of Alan’s participation. I do apologize to friends who felt betrayed that I did not disclose this information to them – but I felt that I needed to honour the commitment I had made and that it was not my information to disseminate.

That evening Jeremy Marks and I had dinner with some friends and neither of us had any idea what to expect. We knew by now that there were a lot of mixed feelings among both the conference participants and the broader gay Christian community who had become aware of this event. I was also aware of ex-gay survivors who were angry and upset that there seemed to be little to no advanced preparation for provision for ex-gay survivors who may have been deeply affected by the sudden announcement. Two of the friends we were having dinner with had been appointed that afternoon to facilitate a time for ex-gay survivors to share their responses prior to the event. And while the event was clearly optional, I also know a number of people who felt in conflict about whether or not to attend and had little time during a full conference schedule to process and discern the best decision about that.

These external factors combined with internal concerns to leave me feeling apprehensive about the unfolding of this event. My role with New Direction invites me to walk what is sometimes a razor thin line in the many tensions and complexities that surround the intersection of faith and sexuality. Our posture of generous spaciousness means that we acknowledge the reality of diversity of perspectives and attempt to prioritize nurturing safe and accepting environments where people can honestly and authentically wrestle to discern their own beliefs and values and make the necessary choices to live in alignment with these values. This means that we intentionally choose to not align ourselves with particular positions in order to avoid perpetuating the typical polarity, “us vs. them” mentality, and “win / lose” propositions. This is a very difficult posture to explain to people and inevitably we often find ourselves being pressured by one side or the other to make a positional statement. It also means that depending on what environment I am in, people may assume that I hold the same position they do because my posture is usually one that is positive, encouraging and gracious. This can cause challenges when my participation in given contexts are made public by audio or video and people from the other “side” feel betrayed or concerned because I seem so at home with the other “side”. The reality is, to nurture generous spaciousness does mean that I need to be comfortable with either side, it means I need to be able to identify and empathize with common ground elements of each position, and it means that I will work to establish rapport no matter what context I find myself in. In most of the speaking opportunities that I have, I am there to serve those who have invited me. I may challenge some of the unhelpful things that I observe in a given group – but my challenges will always be towards greater hospitality and humility in dealing with those with whom they disagree. I do not, however, come with an agenda to change their position on this matter per sae. Rather than being focused on “what” people believe, I am usually focused on “why they believe what they believe” and “how they believe what they believe” (ie. How do they present their beliefs, how do they interact with those who differ, and what is their posture in presenting their beliefs.). It seemed that this panel was distinct from most of the opportunities I have had to engage publicly and I wondered how I would be able to embody the core values of New Direction while at the same time addressing some key concerns about the implications of an ex-gay paradigm.

Another factor that was before me was my place in the gay Christian community. As a former ex-gay leader there were understandably barriers of skepticism and mistrust to overcome as I began to engage with individuals in this community. My first GCN conference was in 2007 when I came incognito to simply listen and observe. I didn’t want my presence to make anyone at the conference feel unsafe. I returned to the conference in 2010 and also facilitated a workshop on bridge-building. I was very nervous and very aware that there was much more for me to learn from this community than I had to offer. I was also aware that I was there as a mainly straight married mom, so I wanted to try to demonstrate an authentic humility, a willingness to relinquish straight privilege, and begin to build trust through investing in relationship and through service. Returning in 2011 felt much more comfortable. People seemed more at ease around me and some even commented that I seemed more relaxed and free to be myself. Then this year, coming to conference felt like coming home. Hugs were plentiful, teasing & humour, and reconnecting & catching up …. I felt like I belonged. But I wondered if my participation in the panel would dismantle the credibility and connection that I had been intentionally building the last number of years. What if people thought I was too supportive or even just too nice to Alan?

But that wasn’t the only tension. What if people back home reacted to the perception that I was critical of Exodus? We have long-time straight supporters of our work who don’t necessarily understand all the nuances of bridge-building, of generous spaciousness or the tensions we regularly navigate. What if we lost more donors? And it isn’t only about money. What if people feel hurt and betrayed because they cannot understand why I would be part of an experience that is attempting to hold ex-gay practices to account? As I leader, I have responsibilities on many levels, many people I care deeply about, and I would never want my public actions to be a hindrance to a brother or sister in Christ. I felt tugged in many directions quite aware that the event would be taped and made more widely available than simply the audience in attendance.

As the event commenced, I could sense Justin’s nervousness. His extemporaneous style began to ramble, it seemed, and the longer he talked the more my emotions began to hum. I kept thinking that we didn’t have that much time and felt anxious that we wouldn’t get to address the vital issues. I say all of this because after my initial introduction to my leadership journey in moving New Direction away from an ex-gay paradigm, my participation in the panel was intense and passionate, assertive and some would say confrontational. I don’t apologize for this. I think it was appropriate for the discussion that was unfolding. I entered the conversation prayerfully, asking God to simply use me in whatever way he wanted to. And so while normally, my style is not to confront or push in my regular ministry work within the Christian community, this event seemed to call for a strength of conviction and a willingness to push for a sense of accountability – both for the live audience and for the bigger picture of stewarding influence in this critical issue at the integration of faith and sexuality. At one point, Justin even joked about him being the “good cop” with the inference that I was the “bad cop”.

Part of the “bad cop” role I found myself fulfilling was some strong extemporaneous language I made use of. I have mixed feelings about this post event. In the moment, in the context we were in, this language (“shit or get off the pot” “pissing off straight Evangelical donors” etc.) captured the “feeling in the air” so-to-speak. The jarring of discarding the “nice Christian image that is all sanctified” seemed to be consistent with the rising frustration I could sense from the audience. These were “cut the crap” kind of moments. In that sense, my language choice was intentional, risk-taking and appropriate. My concern is that for those just hearing the audio, they may or may not be able to understand the context of the moment in the live setting – and it may simply seem that I was being crass to be sensational or that my crassness takes away from the legitimacy of the issues I was raising. I am reminded of Tony Campolo saying, “While you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Most of you don’t give a shit. What’s worse is that you’re more upset with the fact that I said shit than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.” I don’t want my words to be discounted because my language choice creates some superficial offense that misses the big picture.

Anyway, now that it is over, what is my take? Well I have mixed feelings. I have had the opportunity to have conversation with Alan since New Direction left Exodus. In particular, he and I had a fairly extensive time to talk when we were both at the Lausanne Congress in South Africa last year. In a private, off-the-record, conversation there was more time for back and forth, clarifying where we each were at, no worries about the multi-faceted constituencies we are both responsible to. I felt like Alan did listen and did respect what I had to say and even though he was not in the same place I was, I felt like he was honestly grappling with what I raised.

I was also aware then, and reiterated in Friday’s conversation, that I understand the multiple levels of pressure that Alan is under. I know how scary and heavy the burden can feel in that place. There is no perfect way through where everyone is going to understand, be on board, and move forward with you. There is no way to avoid the fear – you have to face it and as Eleanor Roosevelt said, “We gain strength, and courage, and confidence by each experience in which we really stop to look fear in the face …. we must do that which we think we cannot.” Or another of my favourite quotes, “Don’t wait until you aren’t afraid – do it scared.” For leaders of Christian ministries, we are compelled to consider the apostle John’s words that perfect love drives out fear. There is no place for fear in love because fear has to do with punishment. Leaders do need to be discerning. They do need to understand readiness and be willing to be patient. But this is different than allowing fear of loss to get the upper hand. However, these fears are not best addressed by being confronted publicly. That is why I am uncomfortable with some people’s ascertion that this was an intervention. The intention was a conversation. And while I do not apologize for seeking to raise legitimate questions and probe for a clearer response, I am quite aware that a public panel like this is not the best forum to catalyze change. What I do hope is that Alan will honestly take some time to reflect on what was said, that he will openly allow his heart to consider the genuine response of the audience to the invitation to pray for him and his challenging role of leadership, and that this panel will, in the long run, proved to have played its part in the necessary development of a more honest, authentic, humble and generous Exodus message.

Perhaps I’ve been in these circles long enough that some cynicism has crept in – I hope not because cynicism really isn’t helpful. But I feel that Exodus cannot (or will not) change quickly enough. Maybe there are things in the internal workings that I am unaware of and things perhaps are progressing better than I think. But…. I’m not holding my breath. And the reason this is so important is because real people continue to be affected by this paradigm. While I understand the big picture pressures, I also have a sense of great urgency.

What are the priorities as I see them? I believe it is critical that Exodus focus on nurturing a climate that encourages honesty, authenticity and self-acceptance in the journey of discipleship. I believe it is critical for Exodus to really evaluate how they are honouring each individual's autonomy and creating environments in which multiple perspectives can at least be honestly explored and considered. And, I understand that this is complex. Reading some of the responses of those from within the Exodus community, I understand their dilemma. Some of them have experienced some shifts (particularly women) in their sexual attractions. It may not be a complete orientation change – but they honestly feel authentically connected to their opposite gender spouses. They feel like this is a hope they want to share with others who are same-sex attracted and committed to a sexual ethic that reserves sexual intimacy for a marriage between a man and a woman. I know people who have very life-giving and fulfilled mixed orientation marriages. Alan certainly describes himself this way – but I know quite a few others as well. I have no reason to discount or disregard or question the honesty of their stories. But there are also the people who have nearly lost their sense of self in pursuing an unattainable goal of being straight. We cannot trivialize or underestimate the pain and loss such individuals have experienced. So what can be done?

It seems to me that the honest way to approach this is to be very precise in the language that we use. Some people may wish to explore the potential they might have for bi-sexual functioning. This is simply an accurate and descriptive way to consider a realistic outcome. I do not recommend mixed orientation marriages to people – simply because of the unpredictableness of whether or not it will be a life-giving option for the particular people involved. I’ve seen positive examples and I’ve seen train-wrecks. Sometimes people with the best of intentions end up hurting others and/or getting very hurt.

The next thing to consider is what approach might actually help someone to explore this potential without the harmful experiences that we hear from current ex-gay survivors? I am not a therapist, so I will only offer some general remarks here. But that may lead to my first point: do not risk having lay people attempt to fill the role that only professional therapists should fill. Secondly, there needs to be non-negotiable honesty about realistic expectations. At best, someone may discover some bi-sexual functioning. The potential for a complete eradication of same-sex attraction is slim to none. This means that an individual must be encouraged to accept the reality that same-sex attraction is part of their experience. It is okay for them to decide how they will describe that. However, given the common usage of the word gay to simply mean ‘same-sex attracted’ as a descriptive term, it will be important for Exodus to cease perpetuating negative connotations associated with the word gay. I have found that even for people in happy mixed-orientation marriages, there is an authentic need to acknowledge the reality of their same-sex attractions, have opportunities to connect with other gay people in supportive friendship, and for some people to identify as either gay or bi-sexual. In my experience, people who prioritize their fidelity in their mixed orientation marriages are best served by being able to be fully themselves without pretense, suppression or secrecy. This doesn’t mean disregarding the stewardship necessary to maintain marital vows regarding fidelity in sexual intimacy, it simply means they are not pretending to be something they are not. This takes courage, a willingness to risk, the maturity to navigate the inevitable rejection that comes from people who insist on black and white categories and certainties, and a solidarity with an equally courageous and confident spouse. Perhaps the energies of Exodus would be better spent addressing these matters with those who are either in or are determined to pursue mixed orientation marriages.

The kind of stripping away of self that happens in many ex-gay programs is harmful. The association of emotional dependency with any emotionally intense relationship can lead to permanent disconnection in one’s emotional health and ability to deeply and meaningfully connect with another human being. The rifts that are created between gay children and their parents over perceived deficits promoted by unproven theories produce unnecessary alienation and grief. The assumption of past trauma as causative and the key to unlock the door to heterosexuality disregards research that illustrates complex combinations of predisposing rather than determinate causes. The perpetuation of a culture where fear of what others think is a pervasive thread is inconsistent with the good news of the gospel. We, as God’s people are called to fear the Lord in the sense of reverence and awe at the mystery of his reconciling love, mercy and grace toward us – but not in the sense of being so afraid of God’s judgment and wrath that you feel paralyzed in cognitive dissonance, trapped in the tension of unanswered questions. Confident, bold love of God invites us into a spacious place where wrestling with him results in a blessing.

While it is true that some people do need to work through difficult issues arising from their family of origin and others need professional help to process specific trauma, a system that only views these matters through a supposed causative link to the experience of same-sex attraction and employs people with insufficient credentials to address such matters is on a trajectory that will harm more than it will help.

Scripture calls us to strive to enter the rest of God. To perpetuate a system in which acknowledgement of persistent same-sex orientation even within the convictions of a celibate life is viewed as insufficient is to foster an environment where people can never simply rest and accept the truth that God loves them as they are. It is true that God loves us enough to not leave us where we are …. But what seems very clear is that the ongoing transformation of walking with Christ rarely, if ever, results in a 100% complete change in sexual orientation. Not only that, but for the majority of individuals, the predominant reality they experience moving forward is that they are gay – whether they accept that or not. How much healthier to simply create an environment where such self-acceptance can free someone up to get on with serving in the Kingdom of God? Continuous striving to dissociate from one’s experience of same-sex attraction smacks of the very narcissism that the ex-gay paradigm supposes it is addressing.

Some of you may be wondering just what the big deal is. Why so much argument around such a simple concept. Why the seeming reluctance on the part of ex-gay ministries to simply accept what they have already admitted – that very, very few people experience radical reorientation. Well for starters, you have influential people like Albert Mohler of the Southern Baptist Seminary proclaiming that the very experience of a same-sex orientation is sinful and a church-at-large that is content to perpetuate stereotypes and assumptions about people who honestly describe their experience of sexual identity as gay. So the climate for many Evangelical Christians is not conducive to be honest about their reality. That is why on the panel I was pleading with Alan to not allow straight Evangelicals so much power in determining how sexual minority persons ought to navigate their reality.

But the reason we all keep harping on this is because the ramifications are not only for North Americans who are, at least socially, in increasingly gay-positive environments. The perpetuation of suppression, shame, fear, self-loathing, hiding, and pretending rather than honest, authentic self-acceptance has been imported internationally with deadly results. One of my regrets of the panel is that we did not get to address the international implications of the ex-gay paradigm in rabidly anti-gay contexts. But if there was ever a wake-up call to honestly and courageously look at the consequences of refusing to accept the reality of persistently same-sex oriented individuals and their civil right to be treated with dignity and respect as a valued Image-bearing child of God, the debacles in Uganda and other African nations should be the needed slap-up-side-the-head.

As many have said, this isn’t about insisting that ex-gay ministries move from a traditional sexual ethic to one of affirming committed same-sex relationships. This is about insisting an acknowledgment of past harm and a future commitment to honest, authentic self-acceptance as the starting point to offering encouragement and support to live a life in congruence with one’s beliefs and values.

I do sincerely hope that Exodus and its ministries will have the courage to make these critical and foundational shifts in how they approach the reality of gay Christians. And I hope that I will be surprised by the how quickly God can turn a big ship.

-WG

18 comments:

  1. I'm glad to see your comments here about your perceptions of the event, Wendy. I agree with the need for Exodus to be held accountable; in my view, however, I also think it needs to be disbanded. It fairly took my breath away, to hear how glibly incidents of abuse, spiritual torture, medical malpractice, and the willfull disregard for verifiable, scientific facts that form the basis of the medical community's recommendations were lightly passed over.

    My disgust and outrage for the global damage caused by that man goes beyond any words I can find to describe them. "Contempt" comes to mind, particularly for the contempt with which he (and Exodus, and the whole ex-gay institutionalized nightmare) exhibit for sexual minorities.

    I am further outraged by the whole notion being discussed by some Christians of forgiving these people who sell self-loathing and spiritual self-mutilation as gifts from a loving God. My experiences were not as horrific as some, yet even I find that any condescending, patronizing suggestion that I forgive - when I still have bad days that merely driving past a church can trigger - is unrealistic and unhelpful in the extreme.

    I am of the opinion that GCN handled this extremely poorly; as I listened to the audio, Wendy, I deeply appreciated your "bad cop" role. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt that this event will have any effect on Chambers whatsoever.

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  2. As so often I really like what you write. I'm still very unsure what to make of this panel, although I know it was good for me since it made me realize that I still have personal issues with my former "ex-gay therapist" and that I won't be able to work with those just by thinking about the topic.

    I think you raise a very important point that I would have wanted to see addressed in the panel. It bothers me that there are apparently unlicensed counselors doing the ex-gay counseling.

    In my current therapy, my therapist offered to explore the option of other-sex attraction with me. But I was amazed about how very clear it was that this is not better or worse as choosing not to and to live with my partner.

    Oftentimes ex-gay people say that there is freedom of choice but they don't transport it. Also, they don't realize that to give people a chance for freedom of choice they probably have to actually encourage them to explore the possibility that they might live in a same sex relationship first since they often come from backgrounds that say that this just is no option.

    I am getting more and more frustrated that often these people don't even see what they are doing. I think it really comes down to one very simple change: they should stop proclaiming things as absolute truth and start talking in terms of subjective thruths. I don't have a problem with somebody who shifted in his sexual orientation to say: "This is what worked for me and here's why I believe it worked. I want to share this with you because I think that you might benefit from it because it had a strong impact on my life. But I realize that what was true for my life might not be true for yours."

    Why is that so hard?

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  3. Brian - I understand (not fully - but certainly empathize) where you are at. The effects of PTSD cannot be minimized. I find I have so many conflicted feelings about the experience - but mainly feeling very sad for ex-gay survivors who have been triggered in such significant ways. Many share your sentiments that Exodus should be disbanded. My faith compels me to hope for transformation .... but I understand why many are where you're at.

    Tobias - many in Exodus would say that they do share their subjective truth - but they seem to be rather blind to the reality that this subjective truth is projected on the entire LGBT population. And the church then takes this subjective truth and often makes it the blanket expectation.

    These matters are indeed complex .... and courageous, risk-taking leadership is required!

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  4. This is a very large, sometimes complex, conversation. But I commend all who seek to engage in it in the right spirit.

    Wendy, could you clarify this statement?: "Some people may wish to explore the potential they might have for bi-sexual functioning."

    It is one thing to say that a person may need to acknowledge bisexual attractions honestly. But when you use the word "functionality," I have to wonder why. Are we not to infer from that permission to have sexual relationships with both sexes? Did you mean to say it differently? Precise language, as you say, is essential to this discussion.

    In my case, it was the longing to explore my bisexual "functionality" that led to the deepest pain in my life and nearly ended my marriage. All it took was for one sympathetic counselor to give me the nod, and off I went to explore.

    Also, I am concerned (even though you said in this post that we should not construe more openness as sanctioning same-sex marriage), that, nevertheless, more and more Christian gays will believe marriage to a same-sex partner is the only way they can integrate their faith and their sexuality. Shouldn't we have a clear, concise statement addressing that up front as Christian leaders? Otherwise, aren't we leaving the door open?

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  5. I appreciate your thoughts here, Wendy. I also appreciate your willingness to play "bad cop" during the panel discussion, which I still need to listen to. I mention that I still need to listen as I want to be clear that I'm still going off of second- and even third-hand accounts of the event as I offer my thoughts.

    During the conversations over this event, I've heard a lot of talk about forgiveness and reconciliation. The thing is, a lot of the conversation has left me with the impression that many of these people think the words forgiveness and reconciliation are interchangeble and inseparable. That simply is not true, at least not for me.

    To me, forgiveness is about processing through the hurt someone has caused me and letting it flow on out of my life rather than holding onto it, nurturing it, and encouraging it to fester. Forgiveness is something I do to encourage and facilitate my own healing process. It actually has very little to do with the person who hurt me.

    Forgiveness does not require me to say that it's okay that the other person hurt me. It does not require me to give them another opportunity to hurt me again -- or even prove to me that they won't hurt me again. "I forgive you, but I no longer wish to have you in my life" is a perfectly valid statement.

    I can forgive Alan Chambers for the harm he has caused me, and I gladly do so for my own sake. However, at this point, I do not believe that I could be reconciled to Alan. (I've never met the man, so I admit this part is highly hypothetical and abstract anyway.) In my mind, he has simply not changed -- or changed enough, if you prefer -- to make reconciliation possible. He is still steering an organization that continues to say and do things that hurt LGBT people. He's steering an organization that still trumpets the slogan "change is possible." And while he and other Exodus members have qualified what "change" means in some circumstances (namely where men like Albert Mohler or prospective new ex-gays can't hear him), I believe they are still using the slogan and often leaving it unqualified so that he can woo the likes of Albert Mohler and potential new ex-gays who may not find Exodus's message as attractive if they new up front that "change" most likely means lifelong celibacy or a tricky mixed-orientation marriage. There will be no reconciliation between myself and someone who continues to hurt me. If Alan wishes reconciliation with me and others like me, he's simply going to decide whether reconciliation to those he has and continues to hurt is more important than remaining in the good graces of men like Albert Mohler.

    To be honest, I find all the talk of reconciliation frustrating for this very reason. I feel like some gay Christians think that they -- and by extension I and every other LGBT person -- should accept reconciliation with someone who continues to hurt us. That in itself is hurtful. Asking people to continue to accept being hurt in the name of reconciliation is not reconciliation at all.

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  6. hi wendy. i really appreciate your voice in this conversation and for standing on behalf of those who have been beaten down by the church. thankis for what you do. i'm a youth minister from saskatchewan and am glad there is an organization working for this in canada, peace and prayers!

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  7. I look forward to listening to the audio. I'm a member of GCN who was not able to attend conference... and part of me is glad I didn't. It would have been a difficult space for me. My ex-gay baggage is so extensive, I've left it scattered around at a couple dozen airports around North America.

    From what I've heard, over and over though, you have made a LOT of new friends at GCN. People who didn't give you credibility before, do so now. WELL DONE.

    My prayer for you and for New Direction is that you don't pay too high a (financial) price for speaking honestly at the GCN conference. Blessings to you.

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  8. Debbie - happy to clarify my use of "bisexual functioning" .... My point was that some people who experience same-sex attraction may wonder if their sexuality is fluid enough to sustain a heterosexual marriage. Because their convictions are such that they believe sexual intimacy should only be reserved for marriage between a man and a woman, they want to know if such an experience is possible. The reality is, those who experience same-sex attraction very rarely come to a place where all same-sex attraction is eradicated no matter how hard they pray, what therapy they process etc. So, I think an honest way to say that is that some people are seeking to exploit a sufficient degree of bisexual functioning to enter a heterosexual marriage despite also experiencing same-sex attraction. Those in mixed orientation marriages are sometimes doing that - particularly those who indicate a genuine attraction to and sexual desire for their opposite gender spouse. Other may say that they were never sexually attracted to their opposite gender spouse (ie. despite their best efforts they did NOT uncover any bisexual functioning). This doesn't mean they can't be faithful to that spouse or love that spouse - but it may mean that their sexual intimacy may be significantly crippled. This can occur in other marriages for other reasons - so in-and-of-itself is not insurmountable. But, it is important that people have their eyes very wide open and are very honest with themselves and with a potential spouse prior to entering a mixed orientation marriage.

    As for clear statements, there are plenty of pastors and plenty of churches with very clear statements. But even more than statements, I think it is patronizing to suggest that gay Christians can't think and discern and wrestle with God for themselves. There will always be same-sex oriented followers of Jesus who read the bible and believe they should be celibate ... and moving forward there will also always be gay Christians who read scripture and come to a peace that God blesses their commitment to a same-sex partner. I'm not sure clear statement from either side will change the reality that different people with different experiences will engage the scriptures differently.

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  9. Jarred - thanks for weighing in (and hope to hear more of your honest feedback once you've listened to the audio). I quite agree with you - which is why I haven't used the word reconciliation or forgiveness in the post (I think - someone correct me if I'm wrong). What happened on Friday night was neither forgiveness nor reconciliation. It was the beginning of a public conversation that may or may not be continued in some fashion. Some individuals have or will forgive Exodus or particular leaders precisely as you've described - as an intentional decision to release yourself from holding something against those who have hurt - for your own benefit and release. Forgiveness most certainly does not mean that what was done is ok. And forgiveness can happen whether or not the perpetrator has apologized or changed their ways - because it lies within the wounded party to choose to let go. Reconciliation on the other hand is more than just having a conversation. It is a process of honest reflection on culpability and responsibility, amends made, and a new relationship negotiated. Because many who are critical of ex-gay paradigms didn't hear the kind of change that would be sufficient for them to even consider negotiating a new relationship with Alan or Exodus - it was not the beginning of reconciliation. But, it may have been a significant step to simply be present for the conversation and observe Alan's willingness to put himself in a context where there would be accountability for some aspects of the ex-gay paradigm that are harmful(and I would be the first to say we barely touched the tip of the iceberg really - but i do think we hit on some fundamental things). So I would also caution people that forgiveness is mainly a personal matter - and readiness is an important factor ... and reconciliation demands much more than what was experienced on Friday for many of the people who are connected to these matters.

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  10. Thanks, Wendy. I see what you were saying now.

    I do believe Christians who identify as gay or wrestle with their sexual identity or attractions can and should think, seek spiritual wisdom/discernment and pray for themselves. No, they certainly don't need to be told what to think. That's what got so many ex-gay ministries in trouble.

    But if gays who want to marry are encouraged by what they don't hear in our churches and by the increasingly proffered rubric of "integrating faith with sexuality," what will the gap-bridgers or peacemakers say if asked point-blank to sanction same-sex marriage? Sooner or later, it will happen. I think some leaders are just sidestepping the issue with slippery rhetoric to keep peace, or are hoping they won't have to deal with it. Will it just come down to the dichotomy we are already seeing? Will individual churches, and not just denominations, split right down the middle?

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  11. "Part of the “bad cop” role I found myself fulfilling was some strong extemporaneous language I made use of. I have mixed feelings about this post event. In the moment, in the context we were in, this language (“******** or get off the pot” “pissing off straight Evangelical donors” etc.) captured the “feeling in the air” so-to-speak. The jarring of discarding the “nice Christian image that is all sanctified” seemed to be consistent with the rising frustration I could sense from the audience. These were “cut the crap” kind of moments. In that sense, my language choice was intentional, risk-taking and appropriate. My concern is that for those just hearing the audio, they may or may not be able to understand the context of the moment in the live setting – and it may simply seem that I was being crass to be sensational or that my crassness takes away from the legitimacy of the issues I was raising. I am reminded of Tony Campolo saying, “While you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Most of you don’t give a ********. What’s worse is that you’re more upset with the fact that I said ******** than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.” I don’t want my words to be discounted because my language choice creates some superficial offense that misses the big picture."



    What a quote from your article! I am in the process of reading this article but I just had to post this quote from it and say this, "Yes Wendy, it was appropriate and your reasons for it where right on!! THANK YOU!"

    Now I continue on with the article!

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  12. Hi Wendy,

    I've listened to the audios; and, you did a great job. I thought you and others might like to know that Timothy Kincaid over at Box Turtle Bulletin has an excellent post regarding a conversation with Alan Chambers; and, the initiative that Alan took to rectify a situation.

    I think some people are going to be pretty impressed with this:

    Here's the link:

    http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/01/13/40700#comments

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  13. @Teresa: I'm sure some people will be impressed. I'm not one of them. I think David Roberts put it well in his comment over at BTB:

    "Just once I wish he would say categorically that they don’t agree with the content, i.e. they believe it is factually wrong."

    Asking the organization who submitted the ad to cease associating Exodus with the message is not the same as Exodus saying "this message is bad, we disagree with it, and here's why." The former statement leaves many wondering what part if any of the ad's message Alan actually disagrees with.

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  14. @Jarred,

    Please see Timothy Kincaid's latest commentary on Box Turtle Bulletin. What Alan Chambers said in his letter to the original author of the ad contains some incredible 'change'; at least, that's my opinion.

    Timothy's follow-up commentary on that is nothing short of a miracle in its tone, understanding, honesty, and reconciliation.

    Please understand, this is simply my opinion. But, coming on the heels of the GCN Conference, and the panel discussion ... I can only take heart in what I'm witnessing.

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  15. @Anonymous: I saw the BTB article "Exodus Steps Up" and commented on it at 11:30 am. (It's possible that you made your comment prior to my thoughts on the article were approved.) Reading Timothy's follow-up post, "A Change Exodus," does not change my position. Like some of the BTB commenter's, I think Timothy is giving Alan way too much credit for what in my eyes is more "clarification for certain people" rather than a more decisive change. Without Aland and the rest of Exodus issuing a fully public -- and I mean the kind of "public" that involves an announcement in major Christian publications -- announcement that strongly states, "Hey, we no longer agree with this," I'm inclined to maintain my caution and skepticism.

    For me, reconciliation doesn't come cheap. I've been burned too many times by being too eager to accept the slightest appearance of change -- and not just from ex-gay organizations and people like Alan Chambers.

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  16. I hope to listen to the panel discussion soon, but I wanted to affirm that I deeply appreciate your thoroughness, honesty, humility and perseverance, Wendy. This post is VERY helpful.

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  17. I'd like to start by saying, Wendy, that my (somewhat minimal) familiarity with you and your ministry comes mainly from listening to the appearances you've made on GCN Radio, with which I was greatly impressed. Your posture of generous spaciousness articulates precisely the attitude I strive toward as a Christian, and I really appreciate that you maintain it without being overly relativistic or wishy-washy. As someone who almost always finds myself taking a middle-of-the-road position on issues where most people gravitate to one side or the other, I appreciate that it can often take more strength and determination to remain firmly in the middle than to retreat to safety behind the party line.

    I also love the descriptor you use for yourself as being "mainly straight" (which you used in the panel discussion and in this blog post). I might just appropriate that for myself, if you don't mind, because I find it articulates just about where I am on the sexuality continuum.

    Even though I am not myself gay, I have spent the past several months exploring websites and other materials devoted to intersection of faith and sexuality, partially to come to a place of genuinely understanding people who are both gay and Christian, and partially to develop and clarify my own thoughts and opinions on these matters.

    This panel discussion seems to have brought up a lot of conflicting feelings in a lot of people, including those of you who were participants. I find myself feeling quite ambivalent about the whole thing as well. On one hand, the very fact that Alan Chambers was willing to participate in (and, it seems from Justin's account, even actively involved in the process of creating) such an event is an appreciably large step forward. On the other hand, I am concerned for the damage that has been done to ex-gay survivors who were traumatized, and all of this for a discussion in which Alan Chambers hardly said anything of substance (the strongest impression I got from him was that he really wanted a martini).

    I am really interested in seeing what happens from here, though. It seems that both Exodus and GCN are arriving at a point of transition, though I'm not sure what's on the other side of it. Alan Chambers seems to be distancing himself from (though not outright rejecting) the promise of "change" (whatever that is meant to be), and Justin really seems to be moving in the direction of fostering dialogue between people and groups that don't agree with one another (I've been following his blog with interest lately). Will the people of their respective organizations follow?

    Well, all that was long and rambling, but I've been trying to figure out what I think about the panel and all of its many implications ever since I heard of it and (just a few nights ago) listened to the whole thing myself, and I guess since you're the person on the panel I found myself identifying with most closely, your blog seemed the best place to air these very mixed thoughts and feelings.

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  18. God Bless you Wendy.

    This will never be the reality in my country or denomination.
    No. Not in 100 years.

    But I glean hope from your words anyway.

    Thanks for thinking about us international ones.

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