Tuesday, March 6, 2012

A Study in Contrasts: how those with traditional views can speak publicly about homosexuality

Yesterday I had the opportunity to engage two very different audio accounts of a Christian person holding a traditional view of marriage speak about homosexuality. The first was the President of Fuller Seminary, Dr. Richard Mouw, speaking in an address to the Fuller community about these matters. The second, was Kirk Cameron, perhaps best known as a child actor from the show Growing Pains, in an interview with Piers Morgan.

Mouw was very clear in his articulation that after much study, reflection and conversation with scholars and colleagues who hold an affirming view, he continues to hold a heteronormative view of covenanted and consummated relationships. However, in the midst of this articulation, he shared his story and journey that acknowledged his relationships with gay Christians in long-term committed partnerships, his encounters with their faith and vocational callings into ministry, and his first-hand experience in navigating deep friendship in the midst of differences. While clearly affirming his own traditional convictions, his generosity of spirit acknowledged both the humanity and the faith of those who hold different convictions on the basis of their prayerful and thorough wrestling with Scripture. Mouw encouraged us to find common ground in elevating and promoting fidelity. He spoke of the principles from which Christians ought to engage this topic – and it almost sounded like he took a page from the generous spaciousness playbook: he spoke of humility and generosity and grace. And he spoke of Fuller needing to be a place of hospitality where different views were engaged robustly without fear.

I put the link to Mouw’s talk on my facebook wall because I wanted to see how some of my LGBT friends might respond to it. One friend in a committed partnership said, “I can respect his strategic and missional approach to the topic, I personally take a more inclusive stance... obviously. I get that he is navigating his way through the topic with some authenticity. If I had his ear, I would support his stance against promiscuity...in both the heterosexual and homosexual situation.”

Contrast this with the backlash from the LGBT community in response to Kirk Cameron’s comments. Cameron publicly identifies as an evangelical Christian. When asked about his views on homosexuality, he said, “I think it’s unnatural. I think it’s detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization.”

GLAAD was quick to respond saying,
“Cameron is out of step with a growing majority of Americans, particularly people of faith who believe that their gay and lesbian brothers and sisters should be loved and accepted based on their character and not condemned because of their sexual orientation." The public discussion continued when Kirk responded by saying, “I should be able to express moral views on social issues, especially those that have been the underpinning of Western civilization for 2,000 years — without being slandered, accused of hate speech, and told from those who preach ‘tolerance’ that I need to either bend my beliefs to their moral standards or be silent when I’m in the public square.”

This public exchange is yet another brick in the wall that divides. It is the kind of dividing wall that, I believe, breaks God’s heart ….. because his heart is that all would experience the joy of reconciled relationship with him and a sense of unity with one another.

So what can we learn from these two different experiences? Is there a way to hold traditional views and not contribute to the walls that divide and polarize us?

Cameron’s remarks may reflect his personal convictions about morality but they demonstrate no particular connection to the lives of real people. As Christians, we must always be concerned about the impact of our words on the people to whom they are directed. Cameron’s remarks are consistent with a typical disconnection that situates ideas and values in the world of the theoretical. This becomes a problem, however, because homosexuality is not a theoretical idea. Homosexuality is meaningless when it is disconnected from the lives of men, women and young people who experience the reality of being same-sex oriented.

Mouw, on the other hand, demonstrates relational connection. He acknowledges in a respectful and engaged manner the humanity, morality and faith of the partnered gay Christians he has invested time in getting to know.

Where Cameron is defensive, entitled and playing the victim, Mouw emphasizes humility, hospitality and grace.

Cameron seems to be using this opportunity to assert his rights to communicate his beliefs regardless of how it might affect real people. He claims that his mission is to love all people, but one might ask whether a gay person feels loved by being referred to as unnatural, detrimental and destructive. He claims he should be able to state his views without being slandered, accused of hate speech or pressured to either change his views or remain silent.

Well Kirk, if you expressed your views with the kind of relational connection, humility, generosity, hospitality and grace of Dr. Mouw, you might just find that those who disagree you, including your LGBT neighbours, might extend you the kind of respect and space that you seem to feel you are entitled to.

-WG

11 comments:

  1. Amen, sister. Defensive and entitled pegs it.

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  2. What a great perspective and angle on how we share our views. Love it! Greg in GR, MI

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  3. 1 Corinthians 6:9-12 NLT

    Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
    You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,” I must not become a slave to anything.

    Ephesians 5:1-14 NLT

    Imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children. Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God.
    Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people. Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God. You can be sure that no immoral, impure, or greedy person will inherit the Kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world.
    Don’t be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him. Don’t participate in the things these people do. For once you were full of darkness, but now you have light from the Lord. So live as people of light! For this light within you produces only what is good and right and true.
    Carefully determine what pleases the Lord. Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them. It is shameful even to talk about the things that ungodly people do in secret. But their evil intentions will be exposed when the light shines on them, for the light makes everything visible. This is why it is said,
    “Awake, O sleeper,
    rise up from the dead,
    and Christ will give you light.”

    Hebrews 12:11-14, 16 NLT

    No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it’s painful! But afterward there will be a peaceful harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way.
    So take a new grip with your tired hands and strengthen your weak knees. Mark out a straight path for your feet so that those who are weak and lame will not fall but become strong.
    Work at living in peace with everyone, and work at living a holy life, for those who are not holy will not see the Lord. Make sure that no one is immoral or godless like Esau, who traded his birthright as the firstborn son for a single meal.

    1 Peter 1:16 NLT

    For the Scriptures say, “You must be holy because I am holy.”

    Matthew 15:18-19 NLT

    But the words you speak come from the heart—that’s what defiles you. For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander.

    Luke 17:20-21 NLT

    One day the Pharisees asked Jesus, “When will the Kingdom of God come?”

    Jesus replied, “The Kingdom of God can’t be detected by visible signs. You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is already among you.”

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  4. Anonymous: Are yoU not hiding your discrimination behind misinterpreted Bible passages? If you use a Bible translation that is a true translation, or at least a truer translation, rather than a clearly biased interpretation, you will see no direct references to homosexuals nor homosexuality in the Scripture you have presented here (I suppose assuming that the rest of us never read the Bible).It is just too easy to copy and paste your proof texts of erroneous "translations". Please do more work than that. Peoples lives are at stake. Also, there is no Biblical support for assuming homosexual expressions of attraction and romantic love are inherently immoral solely on account of the fact that they are directed toward the same gender as the source. Also, asserting that homosexuality is inherently immoral is a double standard. If you claim it as fact, what are your supporting arguments? If it is immoral, tell us all on what grounds it is so. Certainly some people with a homosexual orientation do immoral things, as do those with a heterosexual orientation.

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  5. I think you missed one difference between Mouw and Cameron..that is that Mouw fully intended to "speak on these matters". That was his entire purpose. He was ready. He probably spent days preparing. Cameron, on the other hand, was a bit hood-wicked by the CNN host. It was apparent from watching the interview that he didn't want to talk about homosexuality nor was he prepared. Now maybe he should have been prepared for this topic but quite obviously he wasn't and in fact he says clearly that he felt like he was being set-up. Secondly there is a huge difference between speaking on a topic, in other words not only being prepared but having the advantage of a silent audience, and answering a question in an interview. Those are two very different situations with huge advantages afforded the former. So, I don't think the comparison is entirely fair. I believe that it is understandable that a person who prepares to speak on a topic and isn't being questioned by a an unsympathetic host is going to speak more eloquently than someone who is asked a question, in a wide ranging interview, for which he wasn't prepared. I think that is an important distinction when one is using words such as defensive and entitled to evaluate the comments of the person in the less fortunate situation.

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  6. Anonymous - I'll grant you that it isn't a one-to-one comparison.... however my sense of defensiveness and entitlement on the part of Cameron was in reflection on his press conference comments after the interview where he did have time to think through how how would respond to the backlash to the original interview.

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  7. I must admit I saw the interview but didn't see the press conference that you mention. I do feel though that an awful lot of people have taken pot shots at him. There has to be a place where people who aren't entirely conversant on all the nuances surrounding homosexuality can speak when asked. It's not a crime to not know gay people or entirely understand their perspective. He may just not live in a community where he comes into contact with GLBT people. He was asked questions for which he wasn't prepared. It's not his area of expertise. Still, it seems like he has been attacked with such glee by so many loving, tolerant Christians. I guess I am just feeling sorry for the guy. Should I feel sorry for the GLBT people that he offended? Probably but the look of the comments on social media suggest that they have lots of people to support them. I am just trying to equal the playing field a tiny little bit and allow for conversation among people who are honestly trying to express a traditional Biblical view without being intimidated into silence, even if that view is naive. If you can't do that how else do people learn?

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  8. Anonymous - I don't think my post takes pot-shots at Cameron. I have used his experience as an example of how not to speak publicly and have used Mouw as an example of how one can more effectively speak publicly - where both individual hold traditional views on marriage. Cameron is a public figure and has very publicly identified as an evangelical Christian. This invites a higher level responsibility than the average Christian person trying to navigate this kind of issue without the opportunity to have much experience. If someone ends up on the Piers Morgan show, you should expect a question about gay marriage if you have identified as a Christian - just ask Joel Osteen. So the idea that Kirk was completely caught off guard really doesn't hold a lot of water for me.

    Even for people who have limited connection with gay people or their experiences, it is not rocket science to understand that making connection between a group of people and words like destructive and detrimental isn't going to be helpful. Part of my post is trying to help people understand that you can't really talk about homosexuality without it impacting LGBT people. Kirk needs a reminder of the golden rule - he should treat people as he wants to be treated. If anyone with traditional views could simply keep this in mind when they speak on this matter that would help a great deal.

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  9. Hi Wendy,

    I think you're spot on here. Too many Christians are quick to trumpet their opinion without considering the impact of their words on others in the REAL world. (Reminds of those who have told me that God and service are "enough", while they enjoy the riches of marriage and family.)

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  10. My guess would be that part of the problem is the Evangelical Christian tendency to split "person" from "action." That is, Cameron may not view an LGBTQ PERSON as sinful, or a non-heterosexual ORIENTATION as sinful, but he certainly views homosexual ACTS as sinful. Therefore, he probably feels that his comments about homosexuality itself should not be considered offensive, because LGBTQ people shouldn't take them personally. I am wondering, is this kind of split between person and action harmful or beneficial? This split is how most conservatives manage to navigate the issue of homosexuality. They can legitimately claim to love a person, while simultaneously disagreeing with his/her actions. So in this sense, the split helps conservatives to love others. But as we see with Cameron, the split also makes it easier to say hurtful things that disregard real PEOPLE. So in this sense, the split hinders love. I'm not sure how to conceptualize people vs. actions. What do you think?

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  11. Hi Claire,

    I think you are right - many holding traditional views do try to compartmentalize people and actions - and may genuinely wish to extend love to people while holding their convictions about behaviour they believe is contraindicated by scripture.

    Such a concept, however, isn't easily communicated without careful attention to language. So when someone uses the word "homosexuality" it is likely perceived as an all-encompassing word that includes attraction, orientation, behaviour ... and therefore inevitably people.

    In addition, such compartmentalization fails to acknowledge that there are LGBT people who hold similar convictions about sexual behaviour and live chaste lives. It also fails to acknowledge that for the majority of LGBT people such compartmentalization makes absolutely no sense. There is no separation for them between the reality of their orientation and sense of identity and their expression of that reality in, but not limited to, their intimate relationships.

    Communication 101 reminds us that there is a sender and a receiver - and both have to be speaking a similar language to have effective communication. For the Christ-follower who wants to speak publicly to these matters, it is our responsibility to understand the issue and use language that will extend value and dignity to all people as created in the image of Christ and communicate our convictions in a way that is clear. That means we need to take the time to understand how to use language in a very specific manner and to ensure that not only are we communicating with love - but that the recipients of our communication will be able to receive what we are saying in a spirit of love.

    The idea that we can love someone and not agree with everything they think or believe or do is legitimate. But we need to do some due diligence in order to be able to communicate that clearly. And if we aren't informed or haven't done the due diligence, then perhaps we need to just keep our mouths shut - especially in the public forum.

    In response to Morgan's question, Cameron could have simply said, "My faith calls me to love and extend respect to all people. My reading of scripture compels me to believe that same-sex sexual activity is inconsistent with God's best intentions for people." While many people would disagree with this belief, it is quite a different expression than the words he used, and would likely not have elicited the same degree of backlash. If Cameron had communicated in this manner - he would have been stating his own belief - not making a universal, absolute statement such as he did.

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